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George 3...........Hi RaeNell
RaeNell............HI George
George 3...........Seems like its only you and I right now
RaeNell............Yeah, my boss will be watching
RaeNell............Can she sign on right now
RaeNell............as a guest
George 3...........Good ... as him to join in!
RaeNell............HER
George 3...........What is her name
George 3...........Yes she can sign it!
RaeNell............Judith Maranti
George 3...........Hi Judith
RaeNell............SHe says hi
George 3...........Judith, you have quite a fine teacher in RaeNell!
RaeNell............THanks
RaeNell............Yes, I am very pleased!
George 3...........So ... sure Judity may join our chat. She should sign in
with her own name.
RaeNell............what about a password
George 3...........And when it fits, introduce herself to others
RaeNell............ok
George 3...........Its not necessary for her to login
George 3...........When she joins the chat, she will be given a chance to
input her name
RaeNell............George, I'm going to prepare by briefly reviewing my
notes for tonight I'll be back in a few minutes
RaeNell............I'll tell her to sign on when I come back
RaeNell............ok?
George 3...........Hi Tzuyi
George 3...........Everyone else is sitting at the group table!
George 3...........Hi becky
George 3...........Everyone else is sitting at the group table!
George 3...........Hi Connie and Becky
Becky Maloney......Hello
George 3...........Most everyone is sitting at the Group Table
Connie.............Hello everyone
Tzuyi Hsu..........Hi Becky and Connie!
George 3...........Hi Connie, Most everyone is sitting at the Group
Table
Connie.............Trying to set my message color to red. Can somebody assit
me?
George 3...........The Menu is just below the box that all the messages
apear in
George 3...........Point at Menu ... and hold the mouse button down
Connie.............Ok, I've figured it out. Ready to chat.
lblakley...........Linda is here.
Connie.............Hi linda
George 3...........Hi Linka
lblakley...........What's up Connie?
lblakley...........Hi George, Can you believe they finally fixed my access
problem
George 3...........Linda, That's great!
George 3...........Connie, still tring to fix your chat color
George 3...........Connie, still there?
Connie.............George, fixed it. Thanks
George 3...........OK OK!
George 3...........So, there are 6 of us at the Group Table, and 4
here.
George 3...........Hi Mary
Mary Armit.........Hi, where is everyone?
George 3...........So, as I understand this, at 5:00 the Technology Group 1
will begin discussing there book HERE in the Book Reviews
chat table! Right?
FredW 2............Correct
Connie.............George,
Barbara Saleem 2...Hi Everyone.
George 3...........Hi Barbara
Deborah............Hi! I'm Deborah!
FredW 2............You all are ready to go!
Connie.............George, are we set up to chat at different tables like
last time? I'm seeing here that there is only oneone book
review chat table.
George 3...........Yes, only one table ... One chat at a time. that's my
understanding
Connie.............Ok..sounds good.
George 3...........Technology in Education #00231 goes first at
5:00?
George 3...........Hi merri!
FredW 2............Merri, girl, you are online andin the house!
Merri Matthews.....Hello everyone yes I made it.
Connie.............George, should I change my color from red to some other
color until it is my turn to moderate?
Mary Armit.........Hi, Merri!
lblakley...........Hi Freddy, Ready to chat?
George 3...........14 of us are here now
FredW 2............Always
Merri Matthews.....Fred good to see your words and Mary yours also.
FredW..............It is better to read me than to hear me.
FredW..............I can only type so much.
Mary Armit.........How did you get on, Merri?
FredW..............If my typing speed matched my yacking speed, Wow!
Deborah............I think that I am here. Someone, please confirm me.
Thanks!
Mary Armit.........Your here
George 3...........Freddie is cooking dinner for all of us fight after our
chat.
George 3...........Hi Deborah
FredW..............Yes, I am calling the pizza place
FredW..............Nevermind! I only have one line
George 3...........Deborah, did you find your disks at UNO today?
Deborah............Hi, George and everyone!
FredW..............someone with dsl will have to call
Merri Matthews.....i like pizza with everything on it.
FredW..............Mary?
Deborah............Yes, George, I did find the disks. Thanks!
Mary Armit.........OK, I'll do it!
Connie.............George, should I change my red color to something
different until it is my turn to moderate?
Merri Matthews.....George hello didn't mean to overlook you.
George 3...........Connie, Red is right for you -- tonight!
Connie.............Thanks
FredW..............You look good in red
FredW..............It ain't easy being green
Mary Armit.........But you do it well!
Becky Maloney......Hi again
George 3...........Freddie looks great in green -- pale green
FredW..............I am usually green
FredW..............Green at webpages, green at computer lingo...
Becky Maloney......green around the gills?
FredW..............touche
Deborah............dddddd
Becky Maloney......Hi Deborah
FredW..............It is better than being blue, Becky
Becky Maloney......I agree with you!
Deborah............Hi, Becky!
Becky Maloney......How are you todY?
FredW..............Merri, what is it like to be in the chat room
lblakley...........Raenell, are you here?
Deborah............Fine!
Merri Matthews.....I shortly lost contact, but I'm back now!
Becky Maloney......Great!
FredW..............Don't worry. I lost contact a long time ago
Mary Armit.........Merri, are you at home?
FredW..............Reality? What's that?
Merri Matthews.....i think it's cool but I wish I could sucessfully change
my color.
Mary Armit.........Dunno
Becky Maloney......Try the menu button
FredW..............go to the menu and find select color
FredW..............slide the rule and WOW
Merri Matthews.....I think I have it. How this?
Merri Matthews.....How's this?
FredW..............Looks greeeeeat
Deborah............Merri has successfully changed colors!
lblakley...........Did the color change work
Merri Matthews.....Yes I have. Remember I'm just a babe in this techno
world.
Connie.............Linda, that yellow is toooo light. Can you go a bit
darker?
lblakley...........What about the powder blue.
pat obrien-murphy..is this where we'll be chatting?
Mary Armit.........Yep
Connie.............Linda, worse yet
pat obrien-murphy..thanx Mary
FredW..............Merri, give yourself a chance
lblakley...........Sorry. I'll try again.
FredW..............I am proud of you
Merri Matthews.....It's definately getting better as we speak.....
lblakley...........What about navy
Connie.............SUPER
Becky Maloney......I like nave
FredW..............Old Navy?
Becky Maloney......navy
pat obrien-murphy..my color won't change
lblakley...........Connie, you are entirely toooo picky!
Becky Maloney......Did you just call Linda old?
Merri Matthews.....THAT' MORE LIKE A SHADE OF PURPLE.
FredW..............Never!
Becky Maloney......Can we make this window larger?
Mary Armit.........What color are you , Merri?
JulieBergeron......Freddy I hadn't heard any wise cracks in a while, I knew
you probably weren't there
pat obrien-murphy..good question
lblakley...........I am old. I've accepted that fact.
FredW..............We all have our reputations to uphold
Becky Maloney......don't say that
JulieBergeron......Don't be jealous Freddy, get it you're green (well we
can't all be as ___ as you)
FredW..............Clever!
FredW..............I'm writing that down!
George 3...........Rules of ingagement: When asking a question, or making a
comment ... direct it someone by Name
George 3...........For example: George, is it time to quit yet?
pat obrien-murphy..good idea
Becky Maloney......I was thinking of fixing some popcorn, Do you think it
will make my fingers too greasy? Anyone?
lblakley...........I've decided to brighten up a little
JulieBergeron......actually i met a guy with a green mohawk and i said that
to him, so what happened you got jealous or
something
Becky Maloney......George, can we make this window larger?
FredW..............Julie=Clever
JulieBergeron......fred, thank you for the ocmpliment
George 3...........Ok, who's taking responsibility for keeping us
orginized?
JulieBergeron......dana i'd like some popcorn thanks
raenell............MINE
raenell............R we Ready?
lblakley...........Raenell, call me. 483-7412.
FredW..............Si
Becky Maloney......sure
Connie.............I am
Mary Armit.........Yes maam
JulieBergeron......yep
George 3...........Our first books are ---
raenell............ok COnnie
George 3...........Technology in Education #00231 RaeNell Houston --
Computer Education for Teachers Merri Matthews --
Learning With Technology : A Constructivist Perspective
Deborah Darby -- Information Technologies in
Education - The Quest for Quality Software Becky
Maloney -- Does Jane Compute?: Preserving our
daughters#2019 place in the cyber revolution.
raenell............Begin
raenell............Connie?
Connie.............Raenell, can you do that intro for each group? It was
very helpful.
Becky Maloney......Raenell, would you recommend this book to us?
raenell............Connie what do you mean?
pat obrien-murphy..Merrie - what is cybor mentoring?
raenell............Yes, it has some very practical ideas.
Connie.............Raenell, intro the group that is chatting, the moderator
and the topic.
JulieBergeron......merri could you tell us your perspectives on the
constructivist theory in technology
raenell............Wait a minute chatters
raenell............from 5-520
Merri Matthews.....Well i really like the idea of teaching from a
constructivist point of view
Connie.............Raenell, if you have the form..could you also keep the
time for us?
raenell............Tech in Ed and Living in a World will chat
raenell............yes I can Connie
Connie.............Thanks
JulieBergeron......Dr Longstreet talks alot about constuctivist theory in
tutorials inedci 6754 so i'd like to hear your
views
JulieBergeron......excuse me i was addressing merri
Merri Matthews.....Constructivist believe that students should be allowed to
learn with technology instead of from it.
lblakley...........EVERYBODY! PLEASE STOP CHATTING UNTIL RAENELL HAS
INTRODUCED THE TOPIC AND MODERATOR
pat obrien-murphy..i thought she did
raenell............THanks Linda
raenell............Connie and I will mbe moderators
raenell............Let the chatting begin
JulieBergeron......i thought you already introduced, merri was giving
insights about constructivism
raenell............merri go ahead
Deborah............llllll
raenell............Hello?
lblakley...........Raenell, should school systems require teachers to
read/research basic info on the use of computers?
Merri Matthews.....Constructivist thinks that students should incorporate
what they are lerning into what they already know thus
constructing new information.
raenell............Linda I'll address you later
Becky Maloney......are we all going to talk with merri now?
FredW..............Great definition, Merri
raenell............So they believe that tech shoul;d be atool
Becky Maloney......Hi Deb
Connie.............It seems to me like technology would be a perfect avenue
for constructivist learning on a variety of subject
matters.
JulieBergeron......so do you feel (merri ) that present software3 helps with
constructivism or do you think software avsilbble could
be better
pat obrien-murphy..Merrie - what is cybor mentoring and how does it relate
to constructivism?
Barbara Saleem 2...Merri, I like the constructivists pointof view also,
especially the idea of using what is already known to
learn new things.
Merri Matthews.....It's just a resource just as teachers and books.
Deborah............Hi, Becky. Am I in the right place?
Becky Maloney......Yes
Merri Matthews.....It should be used to formulated and construct causing
thinking to occur.
pat obrien-murphy..Yes Becky poor Merrie is being inundated with
questions
FredW..............She can handle it
pat obrien-murphy..I see that
pat obrien-murphy..I'm impressed Merie
JulieBergeron......merri how do you feel about present software
Becky Maloney......At what level was this book written, Merri
lblakley...........Merri, How to we prepare teachers to teach
constructively?
Connie.............Students can construct their own knowledge though
research on the internet. They are able to channel into
areas of interest. I think this is a source of motivation
for students of all ages.
lblakley...........I agree Connie.
Becky Maloney......So true.
FredW..............It makes research real
Barbara Saleem 2...Connie, I agree
Becky Maloney......and meaningful
lblakley...........Reaseach, exploration, all the fun things in learning
Freddy.
Merri Matthews.....Constructivist feel that students should be able to
communicates what they are doing, the descisions thy
make, and the strategies they use used and how to find
the answers.
FredW..............What about software and constructivism?
Connie.............This type of constructivist learning seemed to be taking
place at Immaculate Conception school as the students
worked through those Web Quest projects. Good job
Mark
Merri Matthews.....Research is an excellent area to do this in if they are
actually constructing.
JulieBergeron......so games and rewards as computer use in classroom does
not encourage this
Mark Lasserre......thank you
Becky Maloney......so much software is terrible
George 3...........Merri -- sounds like WebQuests will be usefull?
pat obrien-murphy..yeh what about developing web-based simulation games -
how do we do that? anyone?
Becky Maloney......how can we find good constructivist software?
Becky Maloney......WebQuests are perfect
JulieBergeron......becky according to dr longstreet we should produce it
ourselves
Mark Lasserre......Flash would be a useful tool for that Pat
Becky Maloney......They are the ultimate constructivist tool
Merri Matthews.....Web quest would be excellent!
pat obrien-murphy..read Merries book first Becky
Connie.............I'm not sure software is the answer to constructing one's
own knowledge..however good software can be a tool
students can use to record work and present information
to share.
lblakley...........Freddy, it really depends on the type software.
Traditional Computer-Assisted software would not be used
by a constructivist teacher
raenell............I'm sorry, th eelectricity went out for a minute here in
Lafayette
Barbara Saleem 2...Becky, good question, I would like to know that
also
raenell............Linda you're right
Connie.............That what?
Merri Matthews.....Construction can be incorporated into any
software.
raenell............I worked at Walmart one summer
raenell............and we did Computer Based Training
raenell............It was soooooo boring
lblakley...........Interactive software on the other hand that allows the
student to select/choose different paths would be
better
Merri Matthews.....Its a matter of how the software is utilized that
classifies it as construction,
raenell............ohh
Becky Maloney......I like that idea, Linda
raenell............yes
Connie.............I say have the students use the different programs to
present and share information constructed.
Becky Maloney......Pat, can you comment about the "social justice"
information in your book?
Merri Matthews.....Lets talk about another book.
JulieBergeron......thabnks merri good discussion
pat obrien-murphy..the author proposes using alternate energy and advanced
networking to make computers and information available to
everyone
Becky Maloney......wow
Merri Matthews.....Here are some specific activities that lead to
construction
raenell............what kind of energy
Becky Maloney......is it possible?
pat obrien-murphy..he even gives some examples some farout some pretty
ineresting
pat obrien-murphy..alternative meaning solar and plants grown for their
energy potential
Becky Maloney......sounds like an interesting book, the human genome project
could not exist withour computers
Mark Lasserre......actually handheld PCs could run on solar cells one
day
Merri Matthews.....Internet, Home pages, vitutaul school houses, creating
web based simulation games, cyber mentoring, ddeswktop
publishing,
Connie.............In my book review I commented on the way in which the
federal government aided people in getting electricity in
the 1930's. And I read an article where one senator was
trying to push for somethin g like this with the
internet
pat obrien-murphy..absolutely right Becky
raenell............Linda, does interactive learning replace fact to face
teaching
JulieBergeron......so is the idea that if energy sources were cheaper people
could afford internet, computers, etc
Deborah............that would be wonderful, connie
pat obrien-murphy..right Julie
lblakley...........Definitely NO!
raenell............I have a classmate who says one of her hearing impaired
students
JulieBergeron......is this really the cause of the price
raenell............parents took her out of school
George 3...........Its not a question of replaceing face to face
raenell............because they found a program (computer
George 3...........But in additon to face to face
Leon...............I don't get the energy thing. If someone doesn't already
have electricity, shouldn't that be of greater concern
than getting them educational technology?
Connie.............Julie, I think the idea was that energy was a necessity
of life and perhaps the Internet will become that
powerful in the years to come
raenell............to teach her how to reaad lips
lblakley...........I propose a combination, which CAI is used supplementally
inconjuntion with tradition instruction
raenell............I agree
JulieBergeron......okay
raenell............People fear that computers will one day replace
people
Becky Maloney......good point Leon
raenell............Esp. in industry
JulieBergeron......teachers always have and alwasy be facilitators
JulieBergeron......with or without computers that won't change
Mark Lasserre......You will always need people to haul out the old
PCs.
raenell............right
Merri Matthews.....I really hope that technology doesn't replace face to
face because it may one day replace us all.....
pat obrien-murphy..yes but information is power - education is enabling -
and uselful only after the electricity is there to make
it so Leon
Connie.............Think about this..what if one day...all groceries were
bought online. That would make the Intenet a necessity of
life. It could happen according to my author.
Becky Maloney......really
FredW..............A new meaning of chips?
raenell............I don't see it COnnie
lblakley...........Raenell, I really dont see how it can happen.
Connie.............Freddie...it would be different and who knows?
Merri Matthews.....I would have to find another way to shop. I rally don't
ike going on line alll that much
JulieBergeron......yes internet would be necessity but someone would make a
living by allowing people to use their computers for
rewaltively small fee
Becky Maloney......why not merri?
raenell............I don't wnat to but my groceries online
FredW..............Well, the kids couldn't holler for candy
Merri Matthews.....i know that a lot of people are banking on line and doing
alot of other things. Good for them...
Barbara Saleem 2...I think some people would always like to seeand touch
what they are buying
Connie.............Merri..you live in the year 2000 . What about in the year
2055. Look at the advancement of the telephone.
raenell............HWat do you all think about the gov trying to tax the
net?
JulieBergeron......we are becoming a scoiety that can't socialize
Becky Maloney......and you wouldn't have the basket with the broken
wheel
pat obrien-murphy..priceline.com made it sound good until they pulled the
plug on online grocery shopping
Mark Lasserre......There are certain tasks we can live without!
Deborah............I think we have enough taxes already
Mark Lasserre......Grocery shopping could be one of them.
raenell............I agree
FredW..............Will typing and clicking be two skills we will have to
have
Mark Lasserre......We used to have milk delivered to our home---groceries
too.
JulieBergeron......i definiely think so freddy
Connie.............I lived in Seattle two years ago and most of the people I
know grocery shopped online.
Merri Matthews.....Connie I guess your right and with some things you'll
have no cchoice. With no other option I
would.....
raenell............I read an article which states that students who have
been using the internet since Kind. are now suffering
form carpal tunnel syndrome
JulieBergeron......yes when ig rew up we had fruit man door to door milk man
breadman and even dry cleaner door to door
Deborah............and the government possibly sees the internet as a way
make a "killing" - as if that is not already the case!
Down with the internet tax!
Merri Matthews.....i believe that's probably true.
Connie.............Carpel Tunnel is a big problem.
Mary Armit.........I just had a student have surgery for that
raenell............Tech is like everything else. It has its advantages and
disadvantages
Mark Lasserre......Auto workers get it too.
raenell............I had no idea it ws so severe
Merri Matthews.....Really mark. I can see why.
lblakley...........Raenell, I think taxes/govt. regulationwill be a
reality
Becky Maloney......i wonder if the kids who grew up digital see the Internet
as a problem
Mark Lasserre......I have Harvey Tunnel Syndrome.
raenell............I hoped not
Deborah............pianists get it,too.
George 3...........Carpel Tunnel is a big problem ... too much of anything
can be a problem
Merri Matthews.....Probably not becky,
raenell............mark :)
Connie.............Who teaches 1st or 2nd grade. Tell me about your
kids?
Barbara Saleem 2...I think the internet will be very natural to our
kids.
raenell............I taught 1st
Connie.............And
raenell............they loved the computer, but looked at it as a
toy
lblakley...........Connie, I feel like i teach 2nd graders sometimes
(smile)
Becky Maloney......its 5:21
Merri Matthews.....i've taught 1st didn't like it.
Deborah............I think the internet is already a household name to our
kids
raenell............ok brain break
JulieBergeron......yes but i think the point about carpel tunnel is kids who
really hadn't shown a propensity for this problem now
have it
Merri Matthews.....To some kids.
raenell............back to the group table
raenell............Good job Ya'll
Connie.............What about me?
Mary Armit.........good job
George 3...........Merri ... very good work, thanks
lblakley...........Anyone here?
Barbara Saleem 2...Hi
Dana Chaplow 2.....hello everyone. are we about ready?
lblakley...........pat, interesting book review.
Mary Armit.........I'm ready
lblakley...........I read it with a dictionay :)
pat obrien-murphy..thanx linda I thought your insights were good too
Dana Chaplow 2.....Pat, can you tell us a little about your book?
George 3...........Technology-in Education #00232 (Internet) Mary
Armit -- Internet Adventures; Intergrating the Internet
into the Curriculum Rhonda McMahon -- Building
Learning Communities in Cyberspace: Effective Strategies
for the Online Classroom Mark Lasserre -- Brave New
Schools: Challenging Cultural Illiteracy through Global
Learning Networks
pat obrien-murphy..in fact I want to ask you some questions about it in our
next session'
Mark Lasserre......Is someone supposed to be in RED?
pat obrien-murphy..I will at the 5:50 session Dana
George 3...........Yes ... who's in red?
Dana Chaplow 2.....I suppose that could be me?
Connie.............I'm back
Dana Chaplow 2.....** has joined the chat area **
lblakley...........We need a moderator!!
George 3...........Connie and Ranel ... are still in charge
raenell............Dana is one moderator
George 3...........or maybe Dana?
raenell............and leon is the other
Dana Chaplow 2.....yes. unfortunately, i can't get the color to
change.
raenell............and leon is the other
George 3.............. and Leon
JulieBergeron......dana menu set message color
Leon...............Me? OK Let me change my color
Dana Chaplow 2.....Would anyone care to begin by commenting on his or her
book.
Mark Lasserre......F8
Mary Armit.........Mark, I briefly glanced through your book and it was
interesting. Is it worth buying?
Mark Lasserre......Yes.
Leon...............OK I'm ready
raenell............what book mark
merri..............hello
Connie.............I'm now green
Mark Lasserre......Brave New Schools
raenell............tell me a little
JulieBergeron......so tell us more mark
lblakley...........Rhonda, who is the "ideal" student for distance
learning?
Mark Lasserre......Ok. It's about schools crossing geographical and
cultural lines
raenell............how?
Mark Lasserre......to ease tensions in inner-city schools.
Mark Lasserre......to adjust the digital divide.
Mark Lasserre......Are you ready?
Connie.............Mark. now that would be very beneficial to all students.
I find school are always trying to increase
diversity.
Dana Chaplow 2.....Mark, do you think this is effective?
raenell............the Digital DIvide is a huge problem
merri..............i think that sounds great.
Mark Lasserre......Yes!
Mary Armit.........And thats where the divide is biggest
merri..............Explain digital divide,
Mark Lasserre......Let me tell you one story.
lblakley...........Mark, How does one balance the Digital Divide. Any
ideas?
Mark Lasserre......An inner city school was having racial problems.
Deborah............Mark can you give me an idea as to what kinds of things
are done to narrow the digital divide?
raenell............Linda you and I should try to do some work on that
topic
Mark Lasserre......Hispanic and African Americans
lblakley...........I feel strongly about this issue
raenell............so do i
lblakley...........Raenell, I agree.
Leon...............Tell us your thoughts Linda
Mark Lasserre......So a teacher arranged the Hispanic students to communite
with African American children from another
community.
Connie.............I suppose one suggestion would be to decrease the price
of technology so that all can afford.
Mark Lasserre......Same for the African American children.
Mark Lasserre......They learned to communicate and develop understanding for
their cultures.
Becky Maloney......How did that help Mark
Connie.............Language wouldn't be such a problem. Aren't there
programs that translate language?
Becky Maloney......thanks
Dana Chaplow 2.....Connie, in some states there are grants for technology to
ease the digital divide.
Mark Lasserre......This decreased tensions.
Barbara Saleem 2...Mark, I think this is something that would be very
benfeical
lblakley...........Wow, where do I begin. It has to start with the govt.
approriating funds and resources to inner-city
schools
Mark Lasserre......Indeed.
Mary Armit.........Thats the problem
Becky Maloney......and training
raenell............and trainned teachers
Becky Maloney......teacher training
lblakley...........Also, The community and big business MUST play a
role
raenell............YES
Mark Lasserre......Linda is right.
Mark Lasserre......Some businesses would covet getting involved
Barbara Saleem 2...teacher training is a big MUST
Mark Lasserre......good advertising
Connie.............I would love the opportunity to communicate with other
people of different nationalities and languages if the
language barrier could be brouched through
technology
Becky Maloney......but they need it in their homes, not just school
Deborah............Dana, do you know of a specific resource of grants
relating to narrowing the gap - the digital
divide?
Mark Lasserre......lightspan.com offers free listings of cross-cultural
projects.
lblakley...........YES. TRAINING. A must.
Dana Chaplow 2.....Deborah, No I don'
Barbara Saleem 2...Connie, so would I
raenell............for ex. I went to school in Venice wwe have huge oil
companies there who give nothing to the schools
Leon...............Is technology a right that must be provided free of
charge?
Dana Chaplow 2.....however, i did hear something about it on NPR -- so you
may check ther
Mary Armit.........It should be
raenell............in oreder to create productive citizens, yes
Becky Maloney......now or in the future?
Deborah............Thanks, Dana
lblakley...........YES. It is a necessity for today's society.
Barbara Saleem 2...I think it will be in the future
Leon...............Who decides who rides free and who pays?
Dana Chaplow 2.....But free of charge to what extent?
Becky Maloney......health care is a necessity and it's not free
raenell............how near in the future
raenell............ed. has to move faster or we'll be left behind (the
US)
lblakley...........Free in the since that it should be incorporated in the
educational system.
Connie.............Everything is always going to cost money..but how to make
it affordable is the question.
Dana Chaplow 2.....Linda, I agree totally with free in education.
JulieBergeron......i thin there are programs that translate language
Mary Armit.........Really?
raenell............home access isn't a necessity to me, but school access
is
JulieBergeron......i found a website that was in dutch and hit a button and
it changes into english
Becky Maloney......even if we had a potfull of computers in each class, are
the teachers ready to use them?
Connie.............Or at the very least at libraries and other public
places.
raenell............no some teachers are not
Mary Armit.........Home access to some children would mean a world of
difference
raenell............we need to provide them with proper training
Becky Maloney......i agree
Dana Chaplow 2.....Raenell, Home access is actually beginning to become just
as important -- especially since so many have it.
Connie.............I think the kids are passing the teachers up and I
believe it is through constructivism. They want to learn
how to work this technology.
lblakley...........That is a major problem becky. I think technology
training should be apart of a teacher's contract for
employment.
Barbara Saleem 2...I think technology should be a mandatory part of teacher
training
Mary Armit.........Some don't want to be trained
raenell............it is imporatnat but not as important as school
raenell............It is madatory now for pre service teachers
Connie.............The kids are passing us up
raenell............yes
Becky Maloney......fast
Mary Armit.........Tnhat's always the way
Connie.............Perhaps...the kids can mentor each other.
Becky Maloney......Mary, do most of your students have the Internet?
Mark Lasserre......Kids are mentors for teachers.
Dana Chaplow 2.....There are a large number of teachers who are right there
with the kids.
raenell............my 14 year old brother can do more than I can on the
computer
Connie.............Dana...really?
Mary Armit.........Without effort probably
lblakley...........Somebody, Why is it so difficult to develop a National
standards for technology for all public schools.
Becky Maloney......i don't know about a "large Number"
Connie.............Because it is always changing
raenell............there are nationa tech standards
Mark Lasserre......ISTE
raenell............right
Leon...............How does Maslow come into play when we talk about
technology. Many kids still live in fear of their lives.
Many have no textbooks to take home.
Becky Maloney......True
Dana Chaplow 2.....Connie, yes, i know ml teachers I know many teachers who
incorporate technology beyond word processing in
lessons.
lblakley...........Raenell, I know, but schools still have an option to
accept them or not.
raenell............or desks to sit in at school
Mary Armit.........Most of these kids are just playing online. We need to
get them to do constructive learning while their
on.
Deborah............As i encounter students with knowledge about computers, I
use them as resources - I don't feel intimidated - and
some teachers may feel intimadated if students can show
them something!
lblakley...........And most schools do not accept the recommendation of
ISTE
Becky Maloney......Good, Deb
Mark Lasserre......Mary...they want direction! They get bored
otherwise.
Connie.............This kind of reminds me of the ATM purchases at the
grocery store. It was only at a few stores in Seattle and
not at all in N.O. and when I came home 3 years later.
Here we are using the ATM like it is nothing at
all.
Becky Maloney......do we start from the bottom up, or the top down?
Mary Armit.........I'm happy to give direction
Dana Chaplow 2.....Becky, in what?
Becky Maloney......reform, do we supply the tech, or make them safe in their
homes and schools?
Mary Armit.........overload
raenell............it is 545
Dana Chaplow 2.....im confused -- why not both?
raenell............brain break
Mark Lasserre......whew
Connie.............Already?
Becky Maloney......both would be great
Leon...............AMEN
raenell............i know
pat obrien-murphy..supplying them with technologyexpertise is giving them a
survival skill
lblakley...........I agree pat.
raenell............yes
Barbara Saleem 2...Pat, I agree
Mary Armit.........exactly, Pat
Becky Maloney......as long as we can tie it to a job for them
pat obrien-murphy..that's the point they would be employable
lblakley...........Do you think there will every be a day when technology as
a subject will be as important as English or Math and
considered CORE knowledge?
Connie.............Absolutely
Mary Armit.........I hope so
George 3...........NO ... techology is desks and blackboards ..
Becky Maloney......true, but..
George 3...........BUT, desks and blackboards are very important
Becky Maloney......the implementation of tech
Becky Maloney......in everyday life
George 3...........teaching and learning will always advance
lblakley...........What do you mean George by desk and blackboards.
George 3...........by the time we study and prove something
Becky Maloney......if they aren't getting the expertise at home, we must
give it to them at school
George 3...........we are on to another technology
Becky Maloney......or they will be left behing
Connie.............The placement and use of desk have dramatically changed
in the past 10 year.
Becky Maloney......behind
Becky Maloney......I wish I could move my desks
George 3...........learning to read ... learning technology
Becky Maloney......or get tables
George 3...........or using technology to help to learn to read
Becky Maloney......become more flexible
Connie.............I'm not sure about technology teaching kids to read.
Teaching a child to read is somewhat complicated.
lblakley...........George, I would love to see that happen in conjuction
with traditional teaching
Becky Maloney......can you teach reading effectively on the
computer?
lblakley...........Becky, I believe some basic skill elements could be
effectively taught by the computer.
Leon...............The Great thing about the program we saw last week was
the marriage of technology and the printed page!
Connie.............I believe teaching reading must be interactive between
people. But perhaps there will be hologram teacher in the
future. Would that work?
Becky Maloney......isn't reading as much about holding the book as it is
about becoming absorbed in the subject matter? I can't
cuddle up with a computer
Leon...............That's exactly what I mean Becky.
lblakley...........Connie, software can also be interactive. But I do
understand your point
Becky Maloney......it doesn't being me comfort, are today's kids different?
can they learn better from the screen?
George 3...........iving in a Technology World Connie Carroll
Frieda Armour Linda Blakley Pat
O'Brien-Murphy Freddy Waguespack Julie
Bergeron
Connie.............Who is moderating?
George 3...........Living in a Technology World Connie Carroll --
Being Digital Frieda Armour -- Things That Make Us
Smart Defending Human Attributes In the Age of Machine
Linda Blakley -- Growing Up Digital Book Pat
O'Brien-Murphy -- The Sun, The Genome, and The Internet
Freddy Waguespack -- A Thing of Beauty? Julie
Bergeron --- Net.wars
pat obrien-murphy..back to the world of the future?
George 3...........Who is leading
Connie.............Raenell. you have the paperwork. The moderator
please?
JulieBergeron......you forgot me net.wars
FredW..............Aren't I in the group?
pat obrien-murphy..raaeNell's tired
Becky Maloney......she did a great job
merri..............Fred you've been in every group...
George 3...........Living in a Technology World Connie Carroll --
Being Digital Frieda Armour -- Things That Make Us
Smart Defending Human Attributes In the Age of Machine
Linda Blakley -- Growing Up Digital Book Pat
O'Brien-Murphy -- The Sun, The Genome, and The Internet
Freddy Waguespack -- A Thing of Beauty? Julie
Bergeron --- Net.wars
pat obrien-murphy..we though tyou were cooking Freddie
Deborah............I agree, Becky. Raenell, you did a good job!
JulieBergeron......i'm in that froup too
FredW..............Yes
JulieBergeron......net.wars
pat obrien-murphy..Yes RaeNell and Connie you're both doing an outstanding
job
lblakley...........I agree too.
Connie.............Well, I'll moderate again
Becky Maloney......anyone going to start?
pat obrien-murphy..I'll give it a go
Deborah............Kudos to Connie, too!
merri..............Raenell you have a mind that organizes greatly...
Connie.............Thanks
Becky Maloney......You all set theis up so wonderfully
pat obrien-murphy..Connie you said that the most important promise of the
digital age is to empower
Becky Maloney......I really feel more relaxed and focused
merri..............connie your doing marvelous darling....
Becky Maloney......empower?
pat obrien-murphy..Can you elaborate?
Connie.............That is what the author believes and I believe we can
enpower students...however they need access to the
technology.
pat obrien-murphy..yes all students need access
JulieBergeron......i agree tech either empowers us if we control it or
disempowers us if we don't know how to use it
FredW..............There is a gap between the haves and the have
nots
Becky Maloney......Does the author believe that these kids learn
differently?
Becky Maloney......in a digital age?
pat obrien-murphy..which kids Becky?
JulieBergeron......kids growing up digital
lblakley...........The Net Generation Pat.
Becky Maloney......young ones, who have always had the computer
Connie.............My author dosen't address strictly children. He address
people living in a digital world.
pat obrien-murphy..Thanx
Becky Maloney......oh thanks
Becky Maloney......I think it is true that people over a certain age don't
feel comfortable with tecch
lblakley...........They definetly learn differently than we learned
JulieBergeron......yes but we who have had to adapt to being digital do have
a diffrenet view than those who have always been
digital
pat obrien-murphy..Linda in your book you talked about corporations helping
to lessen the digital divide
pat obrien-murphy..how can they do that?
lblakley...........Yes. It is going to take BIG business to make this thing
equitable.
Becky Maloney......is it only money that is holding us back?
pat obrien-murphy..you mean big money?
Connie.............Even the elderly have adjusted to being digital in their
own way. My father in law is 81. He had to learn how to
use cable TV, how to use his ATM. How to pay for gas with
the ATM etc.
JulieBergeron......i think money is a big part of it
Becky Maloney......or do we need to believe that it is necessary
first?
Becky Maloney......Does he use the computer?
JulieBergeron......good point beck
Connie.............Technology forces us to adapt and we as human
will
Mary Armit.........money will always be a big part of it
lblakley...........The addressed corporate sponsorships and adopting
schools
JulieBergeron......i focus as a computer on computer lietarcy as being the
fourth R
lblakley...........sorry about the missing words.
FredW..............My author feels that software developers make things too
complex, calling it an upgrade
Becky Maloney......Leon, your book looks like Greek to me
Becky Maloney......could you explain it in English?
JulieBergeron......as a computer teacher i feel reading writing rithmetic
and computer literacy is necessary to be a literate
person in the 2000's
lblakley...........Upgrades are strictly about Money in most cases.
pat obrien-murphy..sounds good if we help the teachers to deal with their
fears about implementing tech first
JulieBergeron......true pat teachers have a big fear
Leon...............It is to many people. That's why the MIS gusy get the
big bucks. Hey? Why am I teaching?
Barbara Saleem 2...I agree, Pat
lblakley...........That's the first step pat.
lblakley...........Leon, you know why...
Becky Maloney......what do you mean? aren't you geting the big
bucks?
FredW..............So, we have to get the technology
Connie.............Ok..we are digressing
pat obrien-murphy..Leon your book's title scares me
FredW..............Teach the technology
Becky Maloney......sorry
FredW..............And then teach with the technology
JulieBergeron......yes i'm geting the big bucks, the school literally gives
me free lunch and leftover food for me to make ends
meet
pat obrien-murphy..how does SQL relate to GIS?
George 3...........I think we talk about Leon's book in the next
session
Becky Maloney......sorry
pat obrien-murphy..sorry
Connie.............I wonder how somebody like me would learn that
programming language. Will that be only for the elite in
the future.
Leon...............It's just the name of the program.. The compayn starts
all pf its products with My
lblakley...........Connie, why would you want to learn it?
Leon...............The main reason for learning it is if you have
responsibility to maintain a database.
Becky Maloney......will you need it?
JulieBergeron......freddy i agree we must have anunderstanding of the
technology before we can use the technology then use it
to teach
Leon...............I have been using it for about 5 months maintaining the
Br
FredW..............What are some ways to make this happen?
Leon...............Martin website
Becky Maloney......maintaining a database sounds frightful
lblakley...........Becky, there are user-friendly databases out
there.
JulieBergeron......i think that one way might be to make laptops available
to all teachers in a school system and then require the
use of them after a year or so to get used to the
idea
FredW..............Why aren't all programs user friendly?
Connie.............Ok..back to the discussion at hand. My author talks a
lot about smart appliances and cars. What do you think
about this?
Leon...............Some one has to do it. aren't we talking about
information systems here. that's all about information,
data in databases
FredW..............My author calls such an idea Machine Beauty
Becky Maloney......i like it, but not smarter than me
Becky Maloney......like Hal
JulieBergeron......i saw a 48 hours or one oft hose shows where the person
used their cell phone to turn off the tv program the kids
were watching, turn on the stove etc
Connie.............Are our machines already smarter? And will these machines
pass us in intellegence?
lblakley...........Freddy, so that we can go out and hire some techie and
pay lots of money.
FredW..............Why do those two words in a row make me think of an
oxymoron?
pat obrien-murphy..I like that idea Freddie but why are we so scared of the
elegance of simplicity?
Barbara Saleem 2...I would love to have a smart car
Leon...............Simplicity is very difficult to program
JulieBergeron......really huh barbara, sit back tell the car where you want
to go and enjouy the ride
pat obrien-murphy..what about snmart roads?
Becky Maloney......maybe if it sounded too simple, we wouldn't think it was
worthwhile
Connie.............Me too...I'm tired of driving myself. It might also be
safer.
FredW..............The author thinks that Apple failed originally because it
was too simple!
JulieBergeron......i think it would be safer because computers don't have
pride and personalities or road rage to deal with
Connie.............This would definitly cut down on drunk driving.
Becky Maloney......does anyone have software that types what you
say?
Leon...............I do
JulieBergeron......no but that woulsd be cool too wouldn't it
Barbara Saleem 2...Yes, Connie, and also road rage
Connie.............I do but don't know how to use it yet.
Becky Maloney......Does it work well?
JulieBergeron......sit back adn speak then the computer types
Connie.............I've got to get this program running.
Deborah............Leon, what is the name of your software?
Leon...............Takes a whilt to train it for your voice, and then it's
not that accurate.
pat obrien-murphy..i've felt like that before on papers i've written - why
didn't the teacher recognize the elegance of the simple
ideas i submitted?
Becky Maloney......right, Pat, I had that teacher
FredW..............Is it human nature to complicate things?
FredW..............Do we expect computers to be complex?
Becky Maloney......i would think voice recognition software should be
next
JulieBergeron......one of the interesting things in my book was that the
goberment has a back door key to your hardrive
pat obrien-murphy..yes time is money so if it takes more time its worth more
right?
Leon...............Voice Type from IBM. I have an early version, about 2
years old. I'm sure it's improved
Becky Maloney......definately
JulieBergeron......the FBI has encryption keys and can read anything on your
computer
Deborah............Thanks, Leon
pat obrien-murphy..i think we have two distinctly different discussions
going on
Becky Maloney......are we getting too big for our britches?
Becky Maloney......too complicated
JulieBergeron......that's how they've caught some people luring youngsters
to meet them
FredW..............My author predicts warehousing of files so that a huge
harddrive is not needed.
pat obrien-murphy..that's a scary thought Julie
Becky Maloney......how, Fred
Connie.............Is life becoming simplier or more complex
JulieBergeron......by gettingthe missing child's cpu and using the
encruyption keys to read it
pat obrien-murphy..I'd like to read your book
FredW..............Internet
JulieBergeron......nothing is really private from the government
Becky Maloney......more complex, entrophy
Connie.............True
JulieBergeron......but at this time they need a court order to be able to
use their keys
pat obrien-murphy..i agree Becky
Becky Maloney......that's backward isn't it
pat obrien-murphy..entropy
FredW..............What about devices like those email devices? Are they
simple since they do nothing else?
Becky Maloney......I wanted an award in it
pat obrien-murphy..i already got it
Becky Maloney......what about those?
pat obrien-murphy..you can see it on my desk if you can find it
Becky Maloney......could we provide those Internet only machines to our
kids
FredW..............Do they represent the simplicity that is needed?
pat obrien-murphy..i-opener?
Becky Maloney......yes
Barbara Saleem 2...That would be great!
JulieBergeron......my book also discussed intellectual property
debates
Becky Maloney......would it be enough?
JulieBergeron......a big issue was the church of scientology
pat obrien-murphy..they make their money on the monthly service i
think
Merri Matthews.....I like that idea because it willo expeose them to it
because they'll have nothing elso to do but
explore.
JulieBergeron......their private papers got onto a newsgroup and l ron got
is a huff
Connie.............Think about this...if the future is always more digital
than the past. This means that with each generation the
digital advancement will proceed. One day we will be
obsolete
pat obrien-murphy..another scary happening Julie
FredW..............By having to learn only a few things, they may do those
things well.
Becky Maloney......true
George 3...........technology is aleady moving us away from general purpose
PCs
pat obrien-murphy..didn't Isaac asimov write about that?
JulieBergeron......i know pat, this book definitely opened up the idea that
what we consider as private information is really not
private at all
George 3...........toward many single purpose devices
pat obrien-murphy..Connie/
Becky Maloney......should we concentrate on the Internet only
machines?
Becky Maloney......could we have one at every desk?
Leon...............The key to having a pager is knowing when to ignore it.
Technology has to remain our slave, not us tech's
slave.
Connie.............We think we are the generation at the forfront of
technology. Look at the people at the forfront of
technology when the telephone was first invented. They
are lost today..if still alive
JulieBergeron......no it was written by an intenet magazine writer
Merri Matthews.....I would like to know if there is a school that uses
internet only computers....
Mark Lasserre......We have six Internet only boxes in our high school
now.
pat obrien-murphy..only if we're using the computer as an information
source
Becky Maloney......How do they work?
Mark Lasserre......They run on Linux.
pat obrien-murphy..how are they working out Mark?
Becky Maloney......are you happy with them?
Mark Lasserre......Excellent. they print fine.
FredW..............My author writes about having a computer arrive in the
mail, throwing out the old one, and instantly using the
new one in a time when computers are just tools.
Merri Matthews.....Are the kids anxious to use them verses the
others.
Mark Lasserre......Happy.
Becky Maloney......why not go to them?
JulieBergeron......internet only, i dno;t see the point the intenet is not
the end in itself but a resource to use to produce a
paper research etc
Becky Maloney......what about online and distance learning?
Mark Lasserre......Well, word processing will be available through an
Internet service.
Merri Matthews.....I agree julie because many of our student s get lost out
there without guidlines.
JulieBergeron......why when its available on the computer nowe
Mark Lasserre......Same for all application software.
pat obrien-murphy..check out this site: do_not_zzz.com Julie to see how the
internet can do much more
Mark Lasserre......You will subscribe to the application.
lblakley...........What about teaching students how to use those programs
and applications that are used in the business
world?
Leon...............It's a way to make use of otherwise obsolete
machines.
George 3...........When internet only devices cost less than a ream of paper
... everyone will have several of them. Its a matter of
time
JulieBergeron......what pat
FredW..............So will warehousing like driveway.com which will save
your stuff for you.
JulieBergeron......it scrolled by tooo fast for me to catch
Mark Lasserre......The business world will move to application software on
the Web
Becky Maloney......can you do that with obsolete mechines?
George 3...........door stops
Mark Lasserre......Turn them into Linux boxes.
Mark Lasserre......for the Internet...
lblakley...........As educators, do we have an obligation to prepare
students for the real-world?
pat obrien-murphy..Julie: do_not_zzz.com
Mark Lasserre......Linda---yes.
George 3...........mark is right ...
Merri Matthews.....what's linux boxes?
Leon...............exactly!
Mark Lasserre......Linux is an operating system with low overhead
lblakley...........If so, were does technolgoy fit in?
Mark Lasserre......---processing - wise.
FredW..............Do we know what the real world is? Or does it change too
rapidly?
Mark Lasserre......No need for Windows.
Becky Maloney......what do the operating machines have to possess to be able
to do this?
JulieBergeron......i think i've missed the whole point
FredW..............What are the CORE skills?
George 3...........Linux is like a 5 year light bulb ... you just turn it on
and forget it
JulieBergeron......why is internet only computers a good thing?
pat obrien-murphy..technology just supplies the tools for us to communicate
our ideas
Mark Lasserre......Linux. It's free on the Web or cheap through
stores.
Merri Matthews.....alrighty then Mark maybe more than I really want to
know!
lblakley...........What are the expectation of employers today nd in the
future?
Merri Matthews.....Thanks.
Dana Chaplow 2.....nice simile george
Mark Lasserre......welcome
pat obrien-murphy..to make money
JulieBergeron......i like george's coments this time
FredW..............What are the core skills?
pat obrien-murphy..me too
JulieBergeron......i think george likes being involved rather than being
moderator
George 3...........YES
Becky Maloney......sorry freddy, what?
lblakley...........Who's the authority to define them freddy?
JulieBergeron......but are we losing the scope of education
Merri Matthews.....I think george does to because he can rally see what's
going on.
FredW..............Can we teach about the real world if the technology is
changing so rapidly.
FredW..............We prepare them, and then it changes.
Connie.............Good question, Freddie
Mark Lasserre......You need core skills to bake an apple pie.
JulieBergeron......is reading, writing, math important or using technology
availavble and to heck with education
Becky Maloney......what is the real world to our students?
Connie.............That is true, Mark
George 3...........We are aleady at the end of our last brain break
FredW..............That has a certain appeal.
JulieBergeron......oh i didn't bget my brain break
lblakley...........Fred, That's why it is so important to standardize a core
in technology.
Mark Lasserre......zzzzzzzz <----- Mark on a BREAK.
Merri Matthews.....High schools will have a hard time preparing studnts to
use tech if the tech they are training on is changing
rapidly..
pat obrien-murphy..absolutely Merrie
Becky Maloney......doesn't everything change rapidly? Like science?
JulieBergeron......i'm going to brain break now maybe catch that
do_not_zzz.com is that is pat
FredW..............Yes, standardized curriculum that takes into account
change is needed.
Mary Armit.........yes!
lblakley...........I totally agree freddy.
FredW..............Who can see into the future?
Merri Matthews.....If schools can't afford to upgrade regularly then true
apprenceship in noll and void.
Connie.............I still believe that students embed themselves in
technology...not necessarily ed. tech but technology as
it applies to their lives.
pat obrien-murphy..yes but when we're teaching science it'snot as expensive
as tech changes
Becky Maloney......true
FredW..............I think that the State Dept's standards for tech take
inot account the future
FredW..............It sees the future
Becky Maloney......i think they are a good place to start
Merri Matthews.....I agree fred
lblakley...........Fred, but are they mandated to public schools?
George 3...........our last group is:
George 3...........Tzuyi Hsu Leon Glaeser Barbara Saleem
George 3...........We've started alredy to talk about their books
Merri Matthews.....Why shouldn't they be mandated to. All students have a
right to the best.
FredW..............Even standards that are mandated take time to take root,
Linda.
FredW..............Let the new group have its time
Merri Matthews.....Other countries takke public education very serious in
that they invest what evers needed in education.
FredW..............Meet you at the Group Table
George 3...........Who's in charge?
Dana Chaplow.......I'll take charge if needed.
pat obrien-murphy..how are SQL and GSI related? aren't they both relational
databases?
Mary Armit.........I can moderate also
Leon...............Barbara, are you there? do you want to take the
lead?
Barbara Saleem 2...My book is The "C" Programming Language
George 3...........Barbara's book report is about one of the MOST FAMOUS
programming book ever writen
George 3...........It is called the "C" bible
Leon...............Tzuyi, is GSI a relational database?
Becky Maloney......famous?
Dana Chaplow.......Who uses "C"?
George 3...........Its a programming kind-of-thing
Becky Maloney......infamous?
Mary Armit.........What is "C"?
Leon...............Everyone who's anyone uses C
Mary Armit.........Do I?
Dana Chaplow.......What is C used for, leon?
Becky Maloney......George, will we have a course in it at UNO?
pat obrien-murphy..where is c programming in relation to cobol or java or
things like that?
Becky Maloney......for educators?
Barbara Saleem 2...The C just means Computer
Leon...............It's a structured programming language. It is used for
general programming.
George 3...........Becky, Computer Science offers sever classes that program
in "C"
Becky Maloney......Barbara, have you used it?
Leon...............C is platform specific. Java is an attempt to break from
this requirement and get a cross platform
language
pat obrien-murphy..thanx Leon
Barbara Saleem 2...I tried the beginners tutorial
George 3...........Don't anyone missunderstand my comments
George 3...........I am not recommennd anyone in our class consider
programming in "C"
Dana Chaplow.......how does C apply to the educator?
Becky Maloney......was it hard?
JulieBergeron......i've heard c is a nightmare
Barbara Saleem 2...The authors seem to think that anyone can learn to
program
George 3...........There are millions of C programmers ... and probably only
about 12 who really know what they are doing
Becky Maloney......should we be teaching our kids to program?
lblakley...........George, I agree.
Barbara Saleem 2...I think you really need someone to explain the C
lanuguage
JulieBergeron......hey mark where were you
George 3...........You alread teach kids to program
Leon...............Programming is kind of like teaching. You need to break
a problem up into all of the small steps that it takes to
solve the problem.
Mark Lasserre......In the brain drained room.
Mary Armit.........Do you think that's possible
George 3...........program is about as generic as learning and teaching can
get
JulieBergeron......i agree, i'm teaching fifth graders formulas in
spreadsheet
lblakley...........I believe that there are some valuable concepts to learn
in the programming proces
JulieBergeron......it might as well mbe programming
Becky Maloney......are all kids being taught?
Connie.............From what we have talked about..it seems that XML will
meet the requiremennts for universal language. The
perfect example is how the pharmcutical industry had
deployed XML as their standard
JulieBergeron......my 8th graders figured out what easy calc was for
quick
lblakley...........for example, system analysis and design
Dana Chaplow.......i agree that programming is beneficial to students in
that it requires critical thinking.
George 3...........XML has the potential to make everyone information
network programmers.
JulieBergeron......well programming is alot like writing a good term
paper
JulieBergeron......planning plan plan before executing
lblakley...........Exactly dana.
Barbara Saleem 2...I think we should have a class on programming
Connie.............George, as long as each industry can agree among
themselves for what each variable would
represent.
Leon...............As a teacher, I have to evaluate how a process is
performed, and then convey that to my students, just like
programming.
JulieBergeron......me too barbara
Dana Chaplow.......My question was how does it affect the English teacher.
Will I ever find a use for C ?
JulieBergeron......i'd take it
George 3...........Not "C" == Dama
Barbara Saleem 2...Dana, I wondered about that also
Leon...............Directly , no.
JulieBergeron......i'd also like to see classes on hardware
lblakley...........Dana, go back to your original point Critical thinking
& reasoning
Leon...............You are probably going to be exposed to programs written
in c
Dana Chaplow.......yes linda, what about it>
pat obrien-murphy..when Leon?
Dana Chaplow.......Leon, when will I ever need to know that though?
Becky Maloney......How can I tell?
Leon...............You may never know.
JulieBergeron......has the last group started?
JulieBergeron......i'm not in that one,
pat obrien-murphy..this is the last group
George 3...........100s of 1000s of people program computers as their
profession ... and I will say again, that only a couple
dozen or worth theiweight in salt
Dana Chaplow.......I love to learn new things, and even consider technolgoy
a hobby. I watn to know c and anything else.
pat obrien-murphy..go to ZDU
Becky Maloney......what can we use C for that we can't use HTML for?
JulieBergeron......pat i couldn't open the zzz site
Dana Chaplow.......however, i usually learn those things which are somehow
relevant to my life. is c relevant?
pat obrien-murphy..I;ll checkth URL
George 3...........Education is about publishing ... and subscribing
George 3...........HTML (the web) lets us all publish and subscribe
lblakley...........Dana, programming involves careful analysis of a problem
in order to develop the approriate fix. "code". Reading
involves analyzing text in order to develop meaning and
understanding.
JulieBergeron......george with due respect education at the graduate level
is about publishing
Connie.............Job info...New Orleans.com is currently looking to hire
graphic artist with heavy HTML skills and any knowledge
in Hyper-Seek
Mary Armit.........Wow, time to type and nothing to say!
Leon...............HTML is just a way of organizing text. C is a general
purpose language that can be used to writ word processing
programs, database programs, etc.
George 3...........You can't publish with out first subscribing,
Julie
Mary Armit.........Wow, time to type and nothing to say!
JulieBergeron......education at the first grade elvel is still about keeping
them quiet long enough to learn something
Barbara Saleem 2...I think C is an important language
Dana Chaplow.......Linda, i see the connection -- have all alone.
Becky Maloney......Mary, what was your book about?
JulieBergeron......i understand that george, i guess i see your
point
Dana Chaplow.......Julie-- quiet does not mean learning.
JulieBergeron......i just mean that at certain levels its still about
trainging the kids
George 3...........A first grader is more than excited to publish what
happen in school today ... to their parents that
night
Mary Armit.........Did I just freeze up?
pat obrien-murphy..do you think that c is important for teahcers to learn in
order to develop educational software Barbara?
JulieBergeron......dana i mean quiet long enough to hear directions
Becky Maloney......no
Mary Armit.........Hello
Becky Maloney......hi
JulieBergeron......mary you're in not frozen
Becky Maloney......what was your book abotu?
Barbara Saleem 2...Pat, Yes
Becky Maloney......Internet Adventures?
Mary Armit.........Hello
Connie.............Wouldn't it be better for educators to learn programs
like Dream Weaver?
Becky Maloney......hi
George 3...........Tzuyi ... what about your book?
JulieBergeron......connie now you're talking dream weaver\
JulieBergeron......is great
JulieBergeron......also learning to layer
Dana Chaplow.......Connie -- why is dream weaver important?
Leon...............It takes a certain way of organizing and processing to be
a good programmer. You may be better off designing the
concepts and hiring a programmer to do the
coding.
Becky Maloney......Mary?
Barbara Saleem 2...I wrote a phonics program, sent it to a publisher, and
was told to rewrite it in C
Mary Armit.........Help
Barbara Saleem 2...This is why I was interested in C
Connie.............Dana, Dream Weaver is an authoring tool allowing the
author to immediately publish to a site in a dynamic
environment
Becky Maloney......Mary?
Mark Lasserre......Mary---should I call 911?
Leon...............Yes Tzuyi, is your program a SQL database?
George 3...........OK folks ... I think that we all have had our fill of
CCCCChating
Becky Maloney......Are you going to re-write it in C, Barbara?
Mark Lasserre......lol
Dana Chaplow.......I have dream weaver on my computer and have experience
using it -- but i don't see how it will make me better in
the classroom
George 3...........I want to make just a few comments ... than you all may
go
Barbara Saleem 2...Becky, I want to try
Mark Lasserre......<sniff>
Becky Maloney......good luck to you!
George 3...........Next week we will be at Field Trip to Isidore Newman
School
Connie.............Dana, by showing the students how to build and update
their own or classroom websites
George 3...........be sure to check our syllagus of lost minute
info.
George 3...........We will take some time next week to discuss our second
Chat
Dana Chaplow.......i see -- there are much easier programs for them to
use
George 3...........Come with your ideas
Becky Maloney......remember to journal!!!!
George 3...........Don't forget your attendance eMail ... and
Journaling!
George 3...........It was a great experience
George 3...........we can do better
George 3...........This was certainly better than last time
Becky Maloney......thank you to the people who set this up
Dana Chaplow.......thanks to connie and raenell for the hard work!!
Mark Lasserre......nice organization
George 3...........You all did wonderfully
Barbara Saleem 2...This was very nice
FredW..............Thanks all of the people who tped in red
Mark Lasserre......and purple
Becky Maloney......and green
Mark Lasserre......and white
Connie.............Thanks everyone...great conversations tonight
George 3...........Use your journal to record how you felt about
tonight
George 3...........What worked
George 3...........What didn't
JulieBergeron......yeah this was better thanks guys
Connie.............Good by all
Mark Lasserre......good night
Becky Maloney......Thanks again. Bye
Dana Chaplow.......bye now
George 3...........Don't forget that bookreviews are due in 2 weeks
Barbara Saleem 2...good night
Leon...............Will the last one out please turn out the light.
Becky Maloney......George, can we post them early?
Mary Armit.........Had a great time, see everyone next week
lblakley...........Bye Connie.
George 3...........Becky, of course
lblakley...........Good Bye Everybody
Mary Armit.........Don't forget to journal
Becky Maloney......is there a board set up already?
FredW..............Where can I get a copy of CURIOUS GEORGE AND THE INTERNET
?
Mary Armit.........online
George 3...........Post them to your own discussion group, just like last
time
Becky Maloney......I am going to the ASCD conference in Tampa this weekend,
and am trying to work ahead.
Becky Maloney......Thanks
FredW..............Where can I get a copy of CURIOUS GEORGE WWWWW AND THE
INTERNET ?
Becky Maloney......George W
George 3...........Curious George ... that may be a double negative
Becky Maloney......it's getting wierd in here
Becky Maloney......good night
FredW..............Adios
George 3...........Love you all!
Mary Armit.........caio
George 3...........That may be something I never say in "real" class
JulieBergeron......george are you still here?
George 3...........Georg?
JulieBergeron......i have a problem
JulieBergeron......george, when i hit journal, i get a message saying its
not accepting new messages
FredW..............George
George 3...........Julie, I will check it out ... try again later
FredW..............George
FredW..............I need to email you about next week's class
FredW..............Well, I will talk to you all soon
FredW..............See Ya!
farmour............Good-bye
farmour............Thank you.
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