Educators Lite Chat, 13 Sep 2000

Technology Standards Awareness in Louisiana

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702333 i Dana Chaplow
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Dana, hi

20516 m sysop 3
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most of us are at the Group Table.

474266 i Dana Chaplow
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426566 i Tzuyi Hsu
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315466 i pat obrien-murphy
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224950 i sysop 3
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200 i Becky
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44516 i FredW
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9166 i Mark Lasserre 2
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16250 i FredW
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11316 m FredW
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Is this the correct place?

3683 m sysop 3
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Fred ... hi

14433 m FredW
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George?

5833 i RMcMahon
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22233 m FredW
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Who is sysop3?

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2833 i farmour
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6883 i Deborah
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22483 i Connie
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4350 i FredW
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16 m RaeNell
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george, who are we chatting with?

5466 i Connie
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3633 m FredW
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Me!

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hi group

4783 m Mary Armit
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And me

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33 i Mark Lasserre
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1333 m RaeNell
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hi

11383 m Connie
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Are you all here?

5033 m Mary Armit
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Any rules?

83 m lblakley
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I'm here.

5333 m RaeNell
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i think so????

1500 m FredW
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I am confused since both groups have chat tables. Are we supposed to be here?

19900 m RaeNell
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I thought ed lite was to chat with edtech?

12016 m Mary Armit
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I thought so too

5600 m Connie
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Are we beginning our chat?

266 m FredW
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Yes, but don't they have a table as well?

10466 m RaeNell
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Huh?

25400 m FredW
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We have to go to our chat area, but if they also have a chat area, are they their waiting for us?

7300 m RaeNell
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george?

9216 m Connie
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George, when shall we begin?

11850 m sysop 3
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Begin now

266 m RaeNell
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dana said sh was coming to our room

17100 m lblakley
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Connie & Raenell, What is your opinion on reducing teacher anxiety as it relates to technology?

14333 m FredW
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Here is the beginning paste. The Dept of Ed saysthat #201ceducators and learners will have access to technologies that are effective inimproving students achievement.#201d

12383 m FredW
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How?

16633 m RaeNell
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we don't have access in many schools

15050 m RaeNell
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Linda, i think education is the key

27450 m FredW
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I was at a school yesterday where the teacher was using her account so that at least one computer would have access!

18933 i Becky
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466 m Mary Armit
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But most schools at least have computors in their librarys

11700 m FredW
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The school thinks that it is TOO expensive.

7083 i JulieBergeron 3
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200 i Mark Lasserre
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13550 m JulieBergeron 3
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hello all julie 3 here!

2600 m RaeNell
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las year i taught at a k-12 grade school and the only internet access we had was on five computers in the library

5783 m Connie
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Technology is like learning a new language and our students sometimes have already been submerged in this form of communication and have gained greater understanding and skills.

2966 m FredW
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Four computers---1750 students--problem?

4133 m RaeNell
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how do you serve an entire school with 5 computers?

32000 m Mary Armit
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You can't

4083 m lblakley
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I think that teachers should be rewarded for their efforts to incorporate technology into the classroom. (Pay incentitives). Is this opening a can of worms?

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Cloning?

8150 m RaeNell
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after you get the computers, how do you get the teachers to use them?

4850 m lblakley
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Raenell,

14183 m Mary Armit
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Teach them that they don't bite

8950 m JulieBergeron 3
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i don't know our ptf bought each teacher their own computer for their classroom and half declined

9616 m Connie
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Certification should now have a requirement for certain tech. background and skills

1316 m RaeNell
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many teachers don't want to learn

566 m FredW
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At my wife's school, two teachers had three computers each that they left in the box because they were afraid of them!

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8633 m lblakley
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Raenell, you cannot. There has to be recogniztion on the admin side that technology is an important tool.

14950 m RaeNell
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well the state thinks it important

6333 m Mary Armit
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All of our english and Math teachers just got 4 new computors EACH

6216 m RaeNell
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otherwise they wouldn' thave developed the tech standards

10850 m JulieBergeron 3
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the tf has asked me to train the staff the only problem is the staff has tgo want to learn

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1016 m RaeNell
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sounds like heaven mary

8033 m FredW
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Ours are in the library's storage room because there are no tables!

4650 m Mary Armit
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Darn shame I teach science!

0 m JulieBergeron 3
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i can't exactly use candy or sickers as an incentive now can i?

12883 m chippa2
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sure you can

4233 m Mary Armit
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Why not?

4016 m Connie
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When I was student-teaching I was taught how to operate the film projector, over-head, etc. What about computers and various programs?

2616 m lblakley
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I am not completely clear on the technology standards. Are they mandated for all public schools?

13933 m RaeNell
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not mandated--prposed

2933 m FredW
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They are suggested as of now.

6233 m RaeNell
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they will be mandated eventually

2350 m JulieBergeron 3
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chippa just did that acroos the room like magic

6450 i Becky
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I like the part that says that #201ceducators and learners will have access to technologies that are effective inimproving students achievement.#201d

7450 m Connie
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The industry is so new ... education has not been able to respond fast enough.

19216 m RaeNell
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so whats going to happen when the standards are mandated and we're held accountable?

14083 m RMcMahon
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Education responds to fast to very little it seems.

3233 m FredW
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Will the children who are exposed keep up and one day fill the gap?

12666 m RaeNell
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the gap

1083 m Connie
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By the time standards arrive...the medium will have changed.

11916 m Mary Armit
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If we are held accountable, we better have the technology

5383 m FredW
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Between what is expected and what is known

3500 m RaeNell
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something needs to be done about the divide

14483 m JulieBergeron 3
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chippa woosed out and needed his pc

350 m Mark Lasserre
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RaeNell--you are right.

20316 m Mary Armit
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Who actually teaches technology in school/ Buisness teachers?

6116 m lblakley
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Fred, That's the problem. A Technology course should be required as

3866 m Mark Lasserre
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IT teachers

2666 m RaeNell
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not necessarily, we are accountable fo rleap scores, i was accountable last year and i had no idea of what it was about

4066 m Becky
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do we know if technology is really an asset to education?

5200 m FredW
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We have a business teacher who teaches the computer class as a LECTURE!

18750 m FredW
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He says that the lab is not right. He also does not know where the ON switch is.

533 m RaeNell
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those practice questions were nothing like the 8th grade lang arts test

7383 m Mark Lasserre
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some technology terminology requires lecture

4016 m RaeNell
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how do you teach a computer class by lecture

13466 m RaeNell
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besides terminology

583 m Mark Lasserre
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...and demonstration

7866 m FredW
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He does not plan to turn on the machines, Mark.

4966 m RaeNell
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but don't kids learn best by doing?

2200 m Mark Lasserre
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bad move

2800 i farmour
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2600 m lblakley
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How can you teach computer skills in a LECTURE setting?

6883 m Mark Lasserre
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RaeNell---right again.

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6866 m JulieBergeron 3
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major bad move, how do you explain the expense of the computers if you don't turn them on

1100 m RaeNell
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Do i win th egrand prize?

12100 m Mary Armit
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for what?

10916 i Deborah
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1266 m lblakley
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yes Raenell. Kids learn better by doing and establishing their own meaning. I'm a true constructivist.

1200 m chippa3
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grants

3400 m RaeNell
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mark said i was right, twice

9583 i FredW
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3916 m Mark Lasserre
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amen

166 m Mary Armit
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Then you win

6316 m Connie
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Technology should be reinforced by hands on learning.

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I was disconnected, sorry

2700 m Mark Lasserre
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Mary is second

9916 m Becky
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I am too Linda, but is technology a good tool for constructivism?

23766 m Mary Armit
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I don't see why not

1400 m JulieBergeron 3
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today i did a lecture on copy cut and paste and then the kids cut something pasted it and etc.

7333 m JulieBergeron 3
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now they understand the difference

3266 m FredW
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How do we as educators help to create technology/information literate students

6500 m Becky
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Do we really know how to use technology correctly?

11566 m RaeNell
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i'm having a hard time with my readingmethods class. i'm teaching my students to teach using a balanced approach. when they get inot the classroom they see traditional teaching. they want to know why teachers are resistant to change?

14783 m Mary Armit
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We have the use technology as much as possible

2050 m JulieBergeron 3
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becky if you read my section in sno caps i investigated definitions of technology

4216 m FredW
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Good question

3416 m JulieBergeron 3
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it reallly depends on what you think it means

2666 m Mark Lasserre
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if a student cannot hold a technological conversation with others---the technology is worthless.

14466 m Mark Lasserre
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If students are pointing and saying "that thing"

1683 m RaeNell
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mark you're right

4316 m FredW
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Technology, consists of any electronic tool used for solving problems, communicatingclearly, processing information, increasing productivity, accomplishing a task, makinginformed decisions, and enhancing the quality of life.#201d

250 m Becky
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I am not talking about teching technology, I am talking about teaching with technology, are we doing it right?

1150 m Mark Lasserre
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what good is the equipment?

4533 m lblakley
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Becky, I believe so. Technology is an excellent mechanism for exploration.

12983 m chippa3
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great equipment

6366 m farmour
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Are we all equipped with the needed resources to prepare our student for the world of technology?

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Absolutely, Mark. I've seen kids (too many) who don't know what the CPU is and who think that AOL is the Internet.

9916 m Mark Lasserre
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and it is frustrating

633 m FredW
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The DOE belives that we should ephasize the technology, not teach about it in our classrooms.

10300 m Mark Lasserre
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I am a IT teacher

2016 m FredW
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Is there a problem?

2716 m Mark Lasserre
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I focus on technology

533 m Becky
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I just hate the fact that most teachers aren't trained to incorporate technology effectively

8466 m FredW
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That is it.

4883 m RaeNell
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it doesn't matter if its right or wrong our job is to produce literate students and in the day and age that means computer literate

1833 m FredW
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Teach what we don't know?

20966 m RaeNell
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back to teacher training

2883 m farmour
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Has left the chat room

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What about classrooms where teachers don't have technology and don't discuss it?

11166 m RaeNell
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those students suffer

2833 m Mary Armit
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We should expose our students to as much technology AND terminology as possible, so thet it becomes common with them

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What do students learn about technology in those classsrooms?

7700 m lblakley
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Standards (true ones) will give every student a good understanding of those concepts that are essential when using and working with technology

7533 m Mark Lasserre
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Mary---and becomes second nature

9100 m Becky
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I agree Linda

4066 m Mark Lasserre
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---then we can proceed.

5550 m RMcMahon
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But if they don't have the technology then the standards are not very useful.

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How long will it take?

5216 m Mary Armit
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years

1366 m Becky
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At least we will all be on the same page

8716 m RaeNell
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talk to the gods (law makers)

14733 m JulieBergeron 3
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well in my class they learned that watching avideo is a form of technology also

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5:20----

1866 m lblakley
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The technology and the standard must go hand in hand.

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3366 m Deborah
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How is resistance (by some instructors) to use of technology overcome?

433 m FredW
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The standards are a wish list, but at least they crystalize what we believe in.

1066 m Connie
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Ratio of students to teachers 33 to 1 with 33 computers I feel would create less of a learning atmosphere than 15 to 1 with 5 computers. This way group learning could be reinforced. More time could be spent with each child's needs. What do you think?

14100 m sysop 3
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OK ... take a 4 minute break ... catch your breath (rest your hands) ... remember we will debrief tonight right after the last chat at about 7:00, and you should do a Journal entry with your comments ahout what happened tonight.Remember, even if you are not a member of the group that is currently chatting, you should comment and ask questions?Seekers is next, EdTechs continue on ...

750 m Mary Armit
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I like it

8166 m RaeNell
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i htink you're right connie

18916 m RMcMahon
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Yes, there are many forms of technology but those who only have videos are not learning at the same level as those who are creating PowerPoint Presentations.

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Remember, even if you are not a member of the group that is currently chatting, you should comment and ask questions?Seekers is next, EdTechs continue on ...

23433 m lblakley
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I disagree with placing one or two computers in each classroom. I say take all the computer and setup a lab. Include a technology course in the core curriculum that all stuent must atke

11600 m FredW
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Where should we be meeting if each group has an area?

12300 m RaeNell
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what if ther's no roo for a lba linda?

7083 m sysop 3
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SnoCaps is next, Seekers continue on -- pick one

48183 m RaeNell
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linda?

3650 m Connie
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Linda, I understand your point. But utilizing computers in all fields encourages the use of cross curriculum for reports and research.

8000 m lblakley
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I believe that priority should be given to the establishment of a computer laboratory for each school.

6050 m chippa3
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at least 2 computers with internet access and a full computer lab are mandatory

14466 m RaeNell
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that sounds even better, chip

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5850 m JulieBergeron 3
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lb but labs afre considered by the strudents as recess and many administrators have that attitude as well

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650 m RaeNell
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my students hated going to computer lab last year because they had to read stories and answer questions on the computer

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6433 m JulieBergeron 3
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chippa's nickname is slash because of all his titles

10383 m Connie
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Julie, that does not seem to be the case at my school. The students consider tech. class as part of the curriculum.

13500 m FredW
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Well, Mary, I guess that we have done some of our required chat.

19083 m chippa3
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labs can make learning fun!

4066 m FredW
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RaeNell, I think it went fine.

4616 m RaeNell
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i enjoyed our chat it was very informative

14483 m RaeNell
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i agree chip, but my students didn't

5016 m FredW
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Were we supposed to be in our are since our name was first?

10800 m FredW
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Duh?

7766 m Connie
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Quick question...Now that Ed. Tech has chated for 30 minutes where do we go next. I don't have my syllabus in front of me.

37800 m RaeNell
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i'm not sure connie

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6:05--EdTech and Snocaps

5583 m Connie
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Linda, any ideas?

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The problem with computer labs in schools is that there isn't a structured curriculum that enourages a student to establish individual meaning from from assignments

16533 m FredW
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Some people use labs as a day off.

7433 m RaeNell
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but if integrated across the curriculum it would have meaning

8500 m Connie
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Fred..so at 6 we enter the group chat table or the snocap table or back to this table. I'm a bit confused.

1366 m lblakley
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Connie, Ed Tech and the Seekers

9233 m RaeNell
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if the teachers would work together

9016 m FredW
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Welcome--You have a friend!

6483 m FredW
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I am confused also.

19583 m Connie
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Linda...you think we should go to the seekers table now?

16566 m RaeNell
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i htink edtechs go to their rooma nd the seekers go to their room

3083 m FredW
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How do you get all of the teachers to work together?

3583 m lblakley
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Good bye. Ed Techers see you in the Seekers Group

4933 m RaeNell
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and everyone else floats between chats

16083 m RaeNell
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good question fred

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566 m FredW
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How do you get teachers together with their different degrees of experetise?

10116 m RaeNell
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where do we go from here?

9550 m Connie
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?

6566 m FredW
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Some will not give up a day of lecture to waste time in a lab.

3400 m RaeNell
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connie

9133 m Connie
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Still here

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3516 m RaeNell
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what going on?

9483 m RaeNell
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george???

5183 m sysop 4
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SnoCaps is next, Seekers continue on -- pick one

15116 m FredW
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RaeNell, we are up again at 6:25 with the Seekers.

11033 m Connie
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I'll go to the Seekers table with Linda

7633 m RaeNell
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ok

10083 m RaeNell
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do we chill until then fred

8550 m sysop 4
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SnoCaps is next, Seekers continue on -- pick one

483 m FredW
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Then we are up at 6:45 with SnoCaps

10000 m RaeNell
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mary??

8416 m FredW
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Chill? Snocaps? Humor?

9150 m RaeNell
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no, vernacualr

366 m Mary Armit
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We read and comment RaeNell

15216 m FredW
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I am going to the group table.

2683 m RaeNell
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you know chill, relax

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20866 m lblakley
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anyone here.

2500 m sysop 4
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SnoCaps 7 Seekers continue on -- pick one

13866 m sysop 4
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SnoCaps & Seekers continue on -- pick one

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107333 i pat obrien-murphy
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148433 m chippa3
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George, since it's just you and me I'll fess up.

13050 m chippa3
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I'm using the Gateway.

9766 m sysop 4
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what's up

9683 m chippa3
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I could never open multiple windows on the apple without Freddy.

43850 m chippa3
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Is this an option during class?

157483 m sysop 4
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SnoCaps is next, Seekers continue on, pick one

60933 i FredW
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295250 i Connie
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249233 i farmour
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9033 i Mary Armit
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11033 m RaeNell
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hi mary

5583 m RaeNell
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where is merri?

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3566 m Mary Armit
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Hey RaeNell

12400 m Mary Armit
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I haven't heard from her

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5683 m RaeNell
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I didn't think so. George, have you heard form merii?

13400 m RaeNell
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Fred, have you herd from Merri?

4266 m FredW
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I have been chatting in another area.

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3333 m FredW
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No Merri

4233 m RaeNell
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i know i was there.

4633 m FredW
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Sorry

6316 m FredW
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I type and that is it.

166 m RaeNell
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that ok

8266 i Connie
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21866 m RaeNell
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where do we go from here?

7750 i FredW
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4566 i Leon
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11666 m FredW
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Where are we supposed to be?

866 m RaeNell
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????

26516 m FredW
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We have to chat at 6:25

2050 m Leon
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What is the topic?

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10550 m FredW
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Standard in Technology

9250 m FredW
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StandardS

3583 m Becky
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Hi ed lite, are we the seekers going to meet in here?

9083 i chippa3
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616 m Leon
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Or Lack Thereof?

5650 m Mary Armit
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I thought it was interesting that everyone was talking about distance ed., since my subjuct was standards in that area

1916 m RaeNell
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Do you think tech stnadards should be madated?

3416 i Dana Chaplow 2
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1600 m FredW
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Our name leads, so I assume it is out turf

7716 m Becky
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great

17600 m sysop 3
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Educators Lite - Technology Standards Awareness in Louisiana

0 m RaeNell
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distance learning!!!

22083 m Mary Armit
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I don't know if it would do any good to mandate

11450 m RaeNell
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why?

2283 m Becky
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why not?

9116 m Becky
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because of the lack of hardware?

1516 m FredW
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People are busy keeping up with the content standards

2866 m Mary Armit
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How do you really mandate distance learning?

17333 m RaeNell
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good question

133 m FredW
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Tech standards are supposed to be intergrated with those standards, so

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8983 m Becky
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that is very true, in the catholic schools, we will have content standards, technology, and valu standards

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183 i Deborah
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4283 m Mary Armit
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If its mandated in La., What if I want to take an online class at nova?

750 m RaeNell
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will have or do have?

6500 m FredW
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what if you value content to a certain standard?

6700 m FredW
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Sorry

5483 m Becky
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please explain

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12033 i Deborah
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4133 m RaeNell
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i know teachers who don't inplement the content standards

11200 m Mary Armit
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Sure, so do I

11733 m Becky
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yes, but should we lower the bar?

3700 m FredW
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And they are supposed to know how to implement those, thus the dilema with technologyy

5616 m Mary Armit
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Absolutly not

7100 m chippa4
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Speaking of bars, Fred there is a daquiri shop in Avondale on the way to Destrehan.

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Clueless

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Or the way back!

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I think the problem lies with preservice training

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the bottom line is when there's no one there to watch teachers

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avondale?

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What do you do about those who are "service"?

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Some of it lies with post service training also

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students at olhcc must take a technology course

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BIG PROBME<

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sorry

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big problem, I think mentoring may work

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What about teachers--must they?

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but how much can you learn in one course

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and what if you don't have the equipment

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Or one workshop

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Students have to take one for TOPS also

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if we could pair teachers with one that is more capable

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Tell us more

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about what fred?

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Tops requirements

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1 tech. course is required for TOPS. Usually students take keyboarding.

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Thanks

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The ones who are interested go on and take other tech. classes as their electives

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Someone should start a technology academy

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and those who are not fall behind technologically

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The teacher at my school teaches the intro course as lecture

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impossible!

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I think that there is such thing as a tech academy Mary

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The teacher does not want to turn on the computers

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he should be arrested by the tech police

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in a high school?

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I think so--to both conversations

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We need to break from the concept of "Teaching Computers" and go to the model of "Using Computers"

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Bravo

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good point leon

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YES

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The teacher who I speak of does not have any background.

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bravo

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is it time for a break? my hands are hurting.

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Why is he teaching it?

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background has to begin

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He is also teaching business, so they let him have the computer stuff too.

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how about now

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teacher trainin

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g

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All of the computer lab's in my school are booked 100% with "computer Classes". As a teacher, I would like to have the ability to bring a class in to use computrs to "Do Math".

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do you all think computers are effective tools in kind?

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They have appeal for the students

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but are they really learning?

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or are they entertaining?

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I could certainly do a lot with a room full of computers running Excel.

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depends

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What about the idea that #201ceducators and learners will have access to technologies that are effective in improvingstudents achievement.#201d

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i'm talking about lower elem and early childhood

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well??

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I think they learn while they play

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Like Reader Rabit

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?

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especially in lower elem

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Is there a learn and play model for teachers?

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You're on it Fred

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i like reader rabbit but i found my students did more

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playing than learning

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Solitaire for hand-eye coordination?

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I've come across research taht said RR actually harms student's reading ability.

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where?

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How!?

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I'll bring it next week.

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ok

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Thanks

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Leon, what was your groups topic?

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Are we following the schedule so that at 6:45 Snocaps members show up?

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Very good job ... on our first attempt. Our discussion tables usually were equal in number of chatters ... this is good.

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Training teachers to use technology.

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Everone is welcome at the Group Chat Table to wind down ... chit chat ... and say goodbyes.

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oh

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I guess that was the answer

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See you at the Group Chat Table.

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see ya'll at the group chat

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Remember to Journal tonight.

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see ya

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