SnoCaps Chat, 13 Sep 2000

Instructional Design Models

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3331533 i Dana Chaplow
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2883 i Dana Chaplow
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466450 i Mark Lasserre
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262700 i pat obrien-murphy
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751766 i JulieBergeron 2
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14466 m JulieBergeron 2
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double windows is doable

9166 i Mark Lasserre
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99883 m JulieBergeron 2
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am i here?

44616 i pat obrien-murphy
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5400 i Becky
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9816 m pat obrien-murphy
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hi julie - are you lurking?

9466 m pat obrien-murphy
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whatever that means

6866 m JulieBergeron 2
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i'm lurking in both rooms

6150 m pat obrien-murphy
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cool

8850 i Mark Lasserre 2
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13716 i Mark Lasserre 2
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13016 i pat obrien-murphy
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97283 i Becky
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6816 m Becky
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Hi Julie

4633 i Mark Lasserre
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7866 m Becky
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I am not sure where we are supposed to be

5583 m Mark Lasserre
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me too

20433 m JulieBergeron 2
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either in ed lite or edtechs room

44050 i Becky
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253266 i pat obrien-murphy
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607233 i pat obrien-murphy
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9083 i pat obrien-murphy
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8733 i pat obrien-murphy
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423416 i RMcMahon
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39250 i JulieBergeron 2
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102400 m JulieBergeron 2
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hello where are the rest of my group?

171500 i sysop 4
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223766 i lblakley
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228433 i FredW
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103666 i pat obrien-murphy
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69233 m JulieBergeron 2
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when are we talking??

2333 i Mark Lasserre
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5383 m Mark Lasserre
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Julie?

9066 m JulieBergeron 2
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yes

966 m Mark Lasserre
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We are next at 5:45

6416 m JulieBergeron 2
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ok

79900 m Mark Lasserre
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BTW...I am a non-Catholic teaching at a Catholic school

67900 i Debbie Walker
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12200 m Mark Lasserre
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hello Debbie

3766 i pat obrien-murphy
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4866 m Mark Lasserre
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hello Pat

7100 m pat obrien-murphy
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Hi everyone

1266 m Debbie Walker
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Hi Mark

12150 m pat obrien-murphy
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where do we start/

22950 m Mark Lasserre
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the question is on the floor

22916 m Mark Lasserre
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let's start by looking at a Web site

12600 m pat obrien-murphy
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Ok

9566 m JulieBergeron 2
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which on mark?

4633 m pat obrien-murphy
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I found a good one

8216 m Mark Lasserre
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ok...mine will keep

29533 m JulieBergeron 2
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pat copy url over to chat

5516 i pat obrien-murphy
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5666 i sysop 4
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2200 m pat obrien-murphy
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sorry about that

3666 i Connie
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2966 m JulieBergeron 2
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pat copy your url over to the chat

8550 m Mark Lasserre
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the copy command will not work will it??

5400 i FredW
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1800 m JulieBergeron 2
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yes it will

12450 m Mark Lasserre
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it's not working on mine

9616 m JulieBergeron 2
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http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/trinity/watistec.html

7116 m JulieBergeron 2
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there you have igt

1616 i Deborah
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8833 m Mark Lasserre
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great

6233 i FredW
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13816 m sysop 4
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Time to start ...

6683 m JulieBergeron 2
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hey fred i'm showing these guys how to copy a url and paste to chat cool huh!

300 m sysop 4
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you formal chat

1516 i Tzuyi Hsu
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10766 m JulieBergeron 2
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bgo mark lead us commander

1533 m Mark Lasserre
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let's look at your page Pat...what's the URL

633 m pat obrien-murphy
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show me again

1100 m FredW
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I am proud of you, Julie!

20850 i pat obrien-murphy
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6483 m Connie
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What's the topic in this chat room?

316 m JulieBergeron 2
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the url i posted was about technology and its defginrtion

1166 i chippa3
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4833 m JulieBergeron 2
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or definitions i should say

7683 m Mark Lasserre
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I am unable to copy and paste URLs using ie5

383 m FredW
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Technology, consists of any electronic tool used for solving problems, communicatingclearly, processing information, increasing productivity, accomplishing a task, makinginformed decisions, and enhancing the quality of life.#201d

4083 m JulieBergeron 2
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it really depends on whatg angle you wantg to take

1166 i pat obrien-murphy
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20816 m FredW
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I type so fast

1550 m JulieBergeron 2
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technology is an object the physical objectsd we use

9550 m pat obrien-murphy
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finally I type so slow

1950 m JulieBergeron 2
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tgechnology is also knowledge

16000 m FredW
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I was using the DOE's definition

6133 m JulieBergeron 2
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it is also the activities we do our routines and procedurtes

6316 i RaeNell
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4833 m JulieBergeron 2
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it is a process

9266 m JulieBergeron 2
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and a sociotechnical system

16850 m FredW
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Is that your final answer?

19850 m JulieBergeron 2
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my approach to this aswsignemtn was what is technology what is educational gtechnology what is instrtuctional tgechnology

283 i Leon
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9766 m Mark Lasserre
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Edison predicted that the motion picture would eliminate all books.

7500 m Mark Lasserre
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That was is 1913.

466 i pat obrien-murphy
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7500 m FredW
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E-books did the same?

3933 m JulieBergeron 2
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he's almost right mark kids would rather watch amovie than read

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any day

3400 m Mark Lasserre
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He felt the motion picture technology would change the learning environment

4983 m Mark Lasserre
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...and it has...

2166 m pat obrien-murphy
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I'm totally stumped when it comes to pasting here

4533 m Mark Lasserre
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he was wrong about books however.

4516 i pat obrien-murphy
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1766 i Connie
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3566 m JulieBergeron 2
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edit copy edit paste

233 m RaeNell
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it did change a little

2433 m Mark Lasserre
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I cannot paste either

8950 m Debbie Walker
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Books are still intreguing to kids.

1783 m JulieBergeron 2
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i pasted but it wasn't a hot link

933 m Mark Lasserre
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we know Julie---it's not working

15266 m FredW
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Try the http protocol

3750 m Mark Lasserre
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Our reading program is going very well.

7333 i sysop 2
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866 m Mark Lasserre
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Kids and parents are excited about reading again!

5916 m FredW
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Kids reading on computer?

0 m RaeNell
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what program mark

5650 m Mark Lasserre
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Accelerated Reading

8816 m FredW
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At home and at school?

6783 m RaeNell
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i love hat program

6416 m JulieBergeron 2
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do they really read better or are they excited abougt getting to use a computerf

3066 m Mark Lasserre
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Computers are being used in every classroom to

3266 m RaeNell
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have you guys been to bookadventure.com?

7983 m Mark Lasserre
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test students every period of every day.

5866 m pat obrien-murphy
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No

133 m FredW
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Wow!

14450 m Mark Lasserre
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We have two block periods where students are reading silently and testing

7283 m Mark Lasserre
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it's unreal!

11083 m pat obrien-murphy
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in computer class?

6350 m FredW
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I'm impressed! how many kids in a class/

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bookadventue.com is a site where students can go from home or school and take a quiz on a book that they have read

116 m Mark Lasserre
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No---

1650 m JulieBergeron 2
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but arfe they reading betggter or are they excited aboutg using a computer?

14483 m pat obrien-murphy
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How much is it?

8816 m Mark Lasserre
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my involvement is as network administrator

1000 m RaeNell
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they earn points and qualify to receive promotional prizes

14000 m RaeNell
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bookadventure.com is free

300 m pat obrien-murphy
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does it go up to HS?

20500 m RaeNell
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i think bookadenture goes to 8th grade, but i'm not sure

4966 i pat obrien-murphy
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17616 m Mark Lasserre
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AR goes through high school

1033 m RaeNell
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how far does AR go mark

2866 m JulieBergeron 2
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b ack to the subject instructional models

2516 m RaeNell
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never mind

7900 i Mary Armit
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7700 m FredW
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Here is a link http://www.bookadventure.com/

1700 m Mark Lasserre
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U of Houston is offering a program on Instructional Design.

8083 m RaeNell
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what about instructional models?

12866 i Leon
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11266 i Connie
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3000 m JulieBergeron 2
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tell us about it mafrk

15966 i Connie
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2800 m lblakley
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Hey Connie ad Raenell.

2683 i Connie
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2416 m Mark Lasserre
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I wrote Sara McNeil of the Univ. of Houston

1950 m pat obrien-murphy
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I know that one of the reasons some educators don't like ID is because it's believed to conflict with constructivist theory

3400 m RaeNell
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hey linda

4750 m Mark Lasserre
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to learn more about their program. The Web site

5966 m Mark Lasserre
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is quite good...

6200 m lblakley
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Connie, Why are you jumping in and out of this chat?

7033 m pat obrien-murphy
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I agree

1233 i Dana Chaplow 2
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5066 m RaeNell
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she can't keep still

4633 m Connie
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Still trying to figure out topic?

19000 m Mark Lasserre
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how does it conflict --Pat

566 m lblakley
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Someone please state the topic.

7750 m pat obrien-murphy
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The topic is Instructional Design Theory and Models

1000 m Mark Lasserre
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ID Instructional Design

916 m Dana Chaplow 2
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hi connie and linda.. .

8100 m lblakley
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Thanks pat.

2950 m Connie
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Hi Dana

5233 m JulieBergeron 2
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instructional design phases !. analyze- identify the problem 2.design develop your plan 3. develop[ 4. implement

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5. evaluate

2616 m FredW
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How is an ID different from a WebQuest?

500 m Mary Armit
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I'm not familiar with ID

0 m pat obrien-murphy
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and evaluate

5200 i Deborah
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1966 m Mark Lasserre
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straight forward

12633 m JulieBergeron 2
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ID is whatever you are trying to accomplish

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No Quest involved?

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2350 m Mark Lasserre
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WebQuest would be an ID tool

4466 m pat obrien-murphy
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It started out as a way to facilitate learning for adults

3883 i Deborah
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2566 m JulieBergeron 2
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webquests are basicallym like scavbenger hunts

12466 m Mark Lasserre
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Actually controlled hunts

7533 m JulieBergeron 2
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IDs can be power point tutorials whatever you desire

216 m pat obrien-murphy
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absolutely, webquests employ most of the steps

11100 m JulieBergeron 2
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its just the stages you go thrun in the design process

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Is there anyone here who has implemented an instructional model or theory with relative success?

2583 m FredW
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Can you give an example of a topic for an ID for high school?

6833 m Connie
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How do you all facilitate that type of learning within the classroom?

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7216 m pat obrien-murphy
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ID can also be used to teach whole concepts or specific things

5500 m Connie
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Becky..glad you could join us.

4183 m JulieBergeron 2
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fred wouldn't you say Helene does all the time?

5533 m pat obrien-murphy
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This time response lag is getting to me'

3400 m JulieBergeron 2
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with thekids doing powerpoints?

7616 m Mark Lasserre
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It's a method---not the subject.

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It's more Dewey than Skinner

3100 m pat obrien-murphy
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computer tutorials are usually designed according to ID

10050 m Mark Lasserre
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:)

5466 m FredW
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What is an example of a concept that ID could teach?

3600 m Connie
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Julie, my students work on powerpoint presentations within a group of 4 students. Each students develps a portion of the report that seems to work well.

1733 i farmour
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5500 m lblakley
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I sorry if this was covered, but what is an ID?

1783 m Mark Lasserre
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you name it

7450 i RMcMahon 2
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2666 m JulieBergeron 2
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they are using ID

12333 m FredW
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Would you name one, Mark. I am dense.

2866 m pat obrien-murphy
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Instrucitonal design a method for designing solutions to problems

1950 m JulieBergeron 2
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Instructional design models

1650 m Mark Lasserre
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creatures indigenous to Western Australia.

7733 m FredW
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Thanks!

12416 m sysop 2
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OK ... take a 4 minute break ... since all groups have had a chance to chat

383 m Mark Lasserre
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We are working with a fifth grade class in Perth, WA

6816 m Mark Lasserre
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on such a project.

1083 m sysop 2
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... it will be OK to chat about your chatting experience ... what works, what doesn't.

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Online collaborative learning

5233 m JulieBergeron 2
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fred the economic impact of exxon leaving new orleans ID!

3683 m sysop 2
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Edtechs is next, SnoCaps continue on ...

15566 m Dana Chaplow 2
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looked up the tuition at nova

7666 m Mark Lasserre
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and...

5150 m FredW
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I am glad that I am chatting with such knowledgable people.

20416 m JulieBergeron 2
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you know fred, all the stuff helene does

2650 m FredW
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The chat rooms that I usually visit always try to gget a credit card number.

6800 m Mark Lasserre
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It's your presence which brings out the best in the community.

3433 m pat obrien-murphy
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who might those people be?

12383 m FredW
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I never gave the number, so...

3766 m Dana Chaplow 2
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well for the doctoral program, the tuition is 4450 for six months. it takes about three years to complete 27,000

10116 m Becky
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I am sure he means you Pat

5066 m JulieBergeron 2
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what is nova?

633 m Mark Lasserre
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great---a SECOND MORTGAGE

1383 m pat obrien-murphy
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yeh right

12700 m Dana Chaplow 2
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it is SACS accredited and for the phd program you do have to meet on campus at some point

4266 m pat obrien-murphy
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how did the other chats go?

10216 m Becky
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ok i guess

5366 m Mark Lasserre
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to pay the 27K?

1300 m JulieBergeron 2
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why dop youy keep leaving pat?

5700 m Becky
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i am tired after chatting for 10 miutes

1750 m pat obrien-murphy
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Is this an online doctoral program you're chatting about?

6500 m Dana Chaplow 2
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but mark, it is an option for a military wife

21850 m Dana Chaplow 2
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yes, pat

4283 m chippa3
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Julie, quit typing with your tongue!

583 m pat obrien-murphy
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Becky i'm right there with you

3716 m Becky
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I am not sure I could stat focused enough

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for an online doctoral program

7750 m Mark Lasserre
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:0 >>> (julie networking her lab)

7316 m Becky
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I can't stay focused now

2483 m Dana Chaplow 2
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i question my ability to do that as well

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21650 m pat obrien-murphy
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where do we go from here?

6833 m Mark Lasserre
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Are we going back to ID or talking about distance learning

4583 m Mark Lasserre
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???

6216 m Dana Chaplow 2
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whose time is it?

4716 m pat obrien-murphy
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talking about ID of course

14500 m Becky
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edtechs and snocaps

283 m Mark Lasserre
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SnoCaps until 6:20

4666 m Dana Chaplow 2
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should we be in our own chat area.. . i'm going edtecah

1166 m chippa3
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Mark, let's talk about networking my lab.

2183 m Becky
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am I in the right place

8583 m Mark Lasserre
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Ok Start with Dixie Cups

5366 m Mark Lasserre
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twine

2500 m chippa3
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string or yarn

1266 m pat obrien-murphy
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why not tin cans

4900 m Mark Lasserre
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plenty of tension

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166 m Mark Lasserre
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of course, you get plenty of that

916 m Becky
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i love the Dixie Cups

6150 m chippa3
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monofilm

483 m pat obrien-murphy
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me too

916 m Mark Lasserre
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goin to the chapel..

6216 m Mark Lasserre
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and we're..

4716 m Mark Lasserre
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goin to get...

6516 m Becky
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and the Dixie Chicks

3633 m Mark Lasserre
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but I digress

1550 m pat obrien-murphy
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i saw them this jazz fest they are still great

8133 m Becky
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i love jazz fest

7283 m pat obrien-murphy
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we all digress that the fun of it

2383 m Mark Lasserre
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plenty of ID at jazz fest

3000 m Becky
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digress???

9950 m Mark Lasserre
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sorry...

11233 m pat obrien-murphy
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you bet - starting with analyzing the problem and audience

4983 m Becky
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no I mean are we on the subject at all?

5083 m Mark Lasserre
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no---booze---IDs

24783 m Mark Lasserre
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Statement of fact: we are off the subject./

2100 m JulieBergeron 2
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thanks you pompous ___!

9183 m pat obrien-murphy
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ok lets get back

1316 m Becky
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i need another beer

17833 m Mark Lasserre
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Julie's mad?

15100 m Becky
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are we still going to Destrehan next week?

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Julie is Julie

4050 m pat obrien-murphy
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the interaction between learners and teachers is at the heeart of understaniding instruction

650 m Deborah
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So, I really didn't miss anything!

8433 m Becky
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No

7583 m Becky
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Pat you sound great

11000 m Becky
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you just can't type

3883 m pat obrien-murphy
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thanks I can copy real well too

2033 m Mark Lasserre
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Pat---why is constructivism at odds with ID?

20866 m pat obrien-murphy
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I don't think that it is

6966 m Mark Lasserre
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thought so

10133 m JulieBergeron 2
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how dare you insult me mark!! i le3ft the room and wasn't even chatting

800 m pat obrien-murphy
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but i said that some people think that because

8950 m Mary Armit
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But you do type fast pat!

2150 m Mark Lasserre
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just joking...

9900 m pat obrien-murphy
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they believe that knowledge is constructed by learners alone

23266 m pat obrien-murphy
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i knw you're joking about the tyoping

6850 m Becky
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yep

2183 m pat obrien-murphy
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case in point

26366 m Becky
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okay, constructivists say that each person

13650 m Becky
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constructs their own knowledge, so

12966 m Becky
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how does technoogy fit in

6666 m Becky
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technology

5716 m pat obrien-murphy
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i think that instruction can be designed to teach knowledge

17733 m Becky
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does everyone get the same knowledge

6183 m pat obrien-murphy
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and that that knowledge is internalized by eacg learner individually

9516 m pat obrien-murphy
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not necessarily

7450 m Mark Lasserre
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In constructivist learning...students bring their own knowledge and experience

12883 m pat obrien-murphy
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yes exactly

116 m Mark Lasserre
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so the knowledge cannot be exactly the same

8350 m Becky
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how do we make sure that the knowledge students take away with them is what we were trying to impart

6050 m pat obrien-murphy
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no but broad areas can be

18700 m pat obrien-murphy
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that's the whole reason for ID

233 m Debbie Walker
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Bye everyone, thanks for letting me in on the chat.

2833 m Mark Lasserre
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evaluation is through performance

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bye Debbie

3266 m pat obrien-murphy
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and objectives

2533 m Mark Lasserre
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yes

11750 m Becky
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could you describe ID in a nutshell for me?

9650 m Mark Lasserre
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The teacher is more of a facilitator or guidance person

9683 m Deborah
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I'm just listening and learning!

17450 m pat obrien-murphy
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if the objectives are designed well and implemented according to an esffective process

8766 m Becky
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You have a lot to share also deborah

16533 m Becky
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gosh, that is hard to do

9000 m pat obrien-murphy
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then the learner will learn the common objective

3000 m Deborah
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Mark, I really do see myself as a facilitator in the classroom.

7633 m pat obrien-murphy
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Me too

3533 m Mark Lasserre
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ditto

15166 m Becky
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I need to let go the the reins a little more

3100 m pat obrien-murphy
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who wants to be the old teacher anyway?

12366 m Becky
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if we were paid more.....

5000 m pat obrien-murphy
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maybe then

23450 m pat obrien-murphy
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where is julie?

6700 m Mark Lasserre
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she's here

9616 m chippa3
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typing with her tongue

1216 m JulieBergeron 2
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mark and i are privately chatting

283 m pat obrien-murphy
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where is julie 2 her alter ego?

6216 m pat obrien-murphy
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cool

13033 m JulieBergeron 2
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chippa watch it buddy

6983 m JulieBergeron 2
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you're on my hit list next

19633 m JulieBergeron 2
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julie 3 is somewhere else

19700 m Mark Lasserre
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the private chat is interesting TOO

5500 m Deborah
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George, If you're here, I'll bet this is more than you bargained for tonight!

12216 m sysop 3
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OK ... take a 4 minute break ... we will do this one more time. That means we should be finished our formal class chat a little after 6:30.

14450 m sysop 3
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Everone is welcome at the Group Chat Table to wind down ... chit chat ... and say goodbyes.

43866 m Mark Lasserre
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thanks Julie...and all

4016 m sysop 3
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But, first 1 more chat ... Educators Lite & Seekers are next ...

23283 m Mark Lasserre
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We return at 6:45?

31416 m sysop 3
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Educators Lite & Seekers are next ...

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I'm so lonely

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just kidding - I'm going back to the seekers

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posting my farewell message:

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this time around the virtual class seemed more difficult

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perhaps the number of participants had something to do with it

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i'm chatting to myself - a very strange sensation

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are we leaving Pat?

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yes

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bye it was fun

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parting is such sorrow

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thanks and see you next week

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but such sweet sorrow

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see you

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Is anyone there?

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